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	<title>Comments on: Push Pull Workout for Powerful Upper Body Strength</title>
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		<title>By: D-Rock Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D-Rock Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 10:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great vid smitty, definitely looking for some rope myself, I really like that motion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great vid smitty, definitely looking for some rope myself, I really like that motion!</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great video and information. I definitely will be getting some rope, those look awesome. The swiss bar looks good (not in the budget) and unfortunately normal bench pressing is hurting the shoulder :(, even with quite light weight. I really need to pay more attention to the shoulder rehab videos :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great video and information. I definitely will be getting some rope, those look awesome. The swiss bar looks good (not in the budget) and unfortunately normal bench pressing is hurting the shoulder <img src='http://www.dieselcrew.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> , even with quite light weight. I really need to pay more attention to the shoulder rehab videos <img src='http://www.dieselcrew.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 03:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Rob, thanks for your input.

As you stated and I said in the article, I gave a very simple answer only as a reference.

I don&#039;t want to get hung up on exercises, instead I&#039;d rather think of it as the integrity of the joint.

Whenever you push, you must pull and depending on the joint, you must extend when you flex.

Most trainers and most fitness enthusiasts spend to much time on one movement pattern.  The range of motion of the joint and its ability to function properly becomes inhibited.

Of course it is not a &quot;numbers&quot; gain, but that does provide a baseline reference for anyone to start moving toward balance in their training.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Rob, thanks for your input.</p>
<p>As you stated and I said in the article, I gave a very simple answer only as a reference.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to get hung up on exercises, instead I&#8217;d rather think of it as the integrity of the joint.</p>
<p>Whenever you push, you must pull and depending on the joint, you must extend when you flex.</p>
<p>Most trainers and most fitness enthusiasts spend to much time on one movement pattern.  The range of motion of the joint and its ability to function properly becomes inhibited.</p>
<p>Of course it is not a &#8220;numbers&#8221; gain, but that does provide a baseline reference for anyone to start moving toward balance in their training.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 02:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I absolutely agree with the general sentiments being espoused, comparing movements like the bench press and bent row and expecting loads to match up is like comparing apples to oranges, since one is braced on a bench and the other is free standing and doesn&#039;t provide for the same type of leverages.  So to equate the loads used in the two never made much sense to me, at least not in trying to say that they should be matched pound for pound or even very close to it. Heck, even a chest-supported row, while close in a sense doesn&#039;t apply the same advantageous leverages as can be had in a bench press.

And the reverse can be said for something like OH pressing and pull-ups. I don&#039;t know many guys who could, or even should be able to OH Press a load comparable to that used if combining most of their body weight with added load on a pull-up or chin-up. 

I think I even recall Ian King (and he may have been one of many) to suggest that correct deadlifting alone can often go a long way towards maintaining structural balance, and that is a factor that seems to fly under the radar when comparing rowing volume and tonnage/load to horizontal pushing. 

Again, I don&#039;t find fault with the general spirit of keeping things on a relatively level playing field, but I think there are far too many factors at play to think that balance can be reflected in numbers. 

But then again, I may be completely off base here.  And I am absolutely not questioning your own results or your ability to get your lifters strong and keep &#039;em healthy, but merely expressing that I never bought into numbers telling the tale on comparisons like rows and pressing, for a host of reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I absolutely agree with the general sentiments being espoused, comparing movements like the bench press and bent row and expecting loads to match up is like comparing apples to oranges, since one is braced on a bench and the other is free standing and doesn&#8217;t provide for the same type of leverages.  So to equate the loads used in the two never made much sense to me, at least not in trying to say that they should be matched pound for pound or even very close to it. Heck, even a chest-supported row, while close in a sense doesn&#8217;t apply the same advantageous leverages as can be had in a bench press.</p>
<p>And the reverse can be said for something like OH pressing and pull-ups. I don&#8217;t know many guys who could, or even should be able to OH Press a load comparable to that used if combining most of their body weight with added load on a pull-up or chin-up. </p>
<p>I think I even recall Ian King (and he may have been one of many) to suggest that correct deadlifting alone can often go a long way towards maintaining structural balance, and that is a factor that seems to fly under the radar when comparing rowing volume and tonnage/load to horizontal pushing. </p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t find fault with the general spirit of keeping things on a relatively level playing field, but I think there are far too many factors at play to think that balance can be reflected in numbers. </p>
<p>But then again, I may be completely off base here.  And I am absolutely not questioning your own results or your ability to get your lifters strong and keep &#8216;em healthy, but merely expressing that I never bought into numbers telling the tale on comparisons like rows and pressing, for a host of reasons.</p>
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